Re: On Gatherer's behaviourist stance

Hans-Cees Speel (
Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:20:21 +0000

From: "Hans-Cees Speel" <>
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:20:21 +0000
Subject: Re: On Gatherer's behaviourist stance

> If you can show me an internal meme, I'll be the first to admit I was
> wrong. Can you suggest what such an internal meme might be? If
> there are replicating internal neural configurations, then I am
> wrong. I just don't think there are such things. But if you can try
> to falsify my claims at the neurobiological, then fair enough. [I
> read quite a lot of neuroscience and I see no grounds for your
> optimism, in fact the decline of 'representationist strong AI' since
> the late 1980s makes your position less and less tenable]

I would say that the Calvin theory goes in this direction. However,
even i he is right, and areplicating kind of neuronal thuoghts exists
we still cannot work with them as long as we cannot experiment with
This will not happen for a long time if ever, so experimenting by
using the brain as meme data provider will not work.

What is possible of course is to use interviews etc. and memes on
paper. The second ones fall under your behaviormemes, and the others
don't I think?


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