Re: To Stephen Springette from Edryce

Steve (
Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:57:05 +0800

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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 20:57:05 +0800
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Subject: Re: To Stephen Springette from Edryce

At 09:54 PM 8/31/98 -0500, Aaron Lynch wrote:

>Memetics is not about bashing feminists, nor exploiting women, as I was
>pointing out before.

Memetics is certainly not about exploiting or bashing women. For me,
memetics is about understanding truths about our existence - and if that
means bashing the purveyors of supremacist lies (whether they be communists,
nazis or feminists), then so be it.

>It occurs to me that my earlier comment about the gender supremacist
>aspects of the "speed seduction" scam might be totally misread. By "gender
>supremacist," I specifically meant male supremacist. The program has a
>pseudoscientific male-supremacist tone to it, suggesting that women can be
>easily wrapped around men's fingers. It purports to be a quick formula for
>men to seduce and then control women. Its author goes around the net
>talking about diapers and excrement, and suggests that men who don't buy
>his products have no sex life. (Hard to imagine what sort of women actually
>like this guy, but he has registered a good domain name for his business.)
>Unfortunately, the seduction program has been promoted in 3 issues of a
>certain "Meme Update" newsletter--but hopefully not again. Neither the
>newsletter nor the "seduction" program are in any way central to memetics.
>Those who are central to memetics show respect for the field as science,
>and not just as a mutual marketing opportunity.

Aaron, you were worried about your earlier comment being totally misread,
and now you've made another comment that is just as likely to be misread.
Lest there be any doubt, I am not the neanderthal referred to by Aaron. I
had supported feminism in the past because of the dominance of these types
of men and because I had been gullible enough to believe feminists when they
whined about being helpless, innocent victims. And, I reject feminism now
for two main reasons:
1) It absolves women from taking responsibility for their choices
and their role in the creation of the types of men that oppress us all;
2) It oppresses women. It ignores the very real way in which women
hurt women. The worst of women are getting away with murder. Women create
the norms against which women compare themselves and each other, judge each
other, and exclude those women that dare to be different. Women as mothers,
women as girl-friends and women as role-models create the maternal and
peer-group pressures that provide all women with by far their greatest
sources of oppression.

Stephen Springette

Newton's Laws of Emotion:
There can be no complexity without simplicity

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