Re: Memes as Maps

Ton Maas (
Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:29:30 +0200

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 15:29:30 +0200
From: Ton Maas <>
Subject: Re: Memes as Maps

>> that Bateson defined information in the most clear way possible, as "the
>> difference which makes a difference".
>> Ton
>Do you have the exact reference of this? Also because I think I have read the
>same expression as being one of Shannon.Thanks

Well, it's all over the place (both in Steps to an Ecology of Mind and in
Mind & Nature. It must be his most famous quote by far. I would be _very_
surprized if Shannon ever said anything of the kind, since he was firmly
rooted in the "old" interpretation of cybernetics, according to which
information can be quantified. Bateson explicitly frased his definition to
exclude the possibility of quantification.


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