Re: Masturbation Spandrels?

John Konopak (
Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:04:09 -0500

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From: John Konopak <>
Subject: Re: Masturbation Spandrels?
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:04:09 -0500

Anent this thread:
It used to be said:
"horses sweat, men perspire,
and women get in a dew."
Do dogs "masturbate?" Or
do they lick their genitals
because they can [as would I
if I could(;h)
--here's an anti-anti-masturbation spandrel:
'Jack be limber/Jack be long/
If Jack can lick/On his own dong.
And Jill/Be limb'rer still!'].

Meantime, at the risk of appearing naive, how is this idea of memetics
really an improvement from what could be called "quantitative semiotics," a
la Greimas; and if it pretends to universalization of systems of meanings of
cultural practices, how does it escape the charge of reductivism? Is this
the set that doesn't contain itself? Then at what point does it start to be
possible to claim, as ie Herrnstein and Murray have done with
"intelligence," that certain sorts of folks just don't have all the
receptors, or some such other (arbitrary) facility, absence of which, prima
facie, deprives them of the right to full participation in such crucial
conversations as those resulting in the equitable distribution of social
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