RE: ply to Grant

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    >From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    >Subject: RE: ply to Grant
    >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 09:07:17 -0800
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    >>Subject: RE: ply to Grant
    >>Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:54:59 -0500
    >>Hi Ray Recchia -
    >> >that conveniently allow him to justify the actions of an unjust
    >> >government.
    >>We all swim in this same river. Or we'd all be moving, all the time.
    >>No-one has a just government.
    >>We all justify quite a lot, daily living.
    >>- Wade
    >Governments don't do what they (the people who run them) think is just or
    >unjust. They do what is expedient based on the problems confronting them
    >the time. The most common problem for a politician is getting elected
    >again. It's the historians who decide after the fact that what they did
    >just or unjust. Jesus isn't around to run anyone's government and the
    >church he left behind is just as messed up as any other government.
    >still carrying on the policies of Constantine some 1500 years later.
    Expedience? Hmmm...

    Trying to unravel the details of the apparent collusion between France,
    Israel and Britain previous to the hostilities of the Suez war in 1956, I
    wonder how much pragmatics and expedience played a role.

    Supposedly a document came to light in 1996 that adds a little petrol to the
    fire (the Protocol of Sevres). The only scholarly journal article I've found
    so far is by Avi Shlaim.

    I guess the U.S. isn't the only imperialist nation in the world. We learned
    well from the masters.


    Shlaim A. 1997. The Protocol of Sevres, 1956: anatomy of a war plot.
    International Affairs (73): 509-530

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