Re: Why memeoids?

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    >Subject: Re: Why memeoids?
    >Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:57:40 +1100
    >On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 06:32 PM, Joe Dees wrote:
    >>>Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:22:03 +1100
    >>>Re: Why memeoids? John Wilkins <>
    >>>On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, at 03:51 PM, Keith Henson wrote:
    >>>>At 10:01 PM 11/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
    >>>>>Hi Keith Henson -
    >>>>>>Infective speech fillers people pick up of the "you know" and "fact
    >>>>>of the
    >>>>>>matter" are these kind of minimal memes. I am not aware of a term
    >>>>>for for
    >>>>>>such minimal memes. Suggest one if you wish.
    >>>>Why? (what derivation does -murs have?)
    >>>I think he means -mers, as in polymers and monomers. But then it should
    >>>be polymemes and monomemes, and this requires some notion of a "simple"
    >>>meme just as monomer requires some notion of a simple molecule (which
    >>>not, so far as I can tell, forthcoming :-)
    >>The smallest meaningful unit of language is the morpheme; how could one
    >>combine/contract these two (morpheme and meme) into a single
    >>distinctive word? Morph-memes?
    >Bill Croft of Manchester uni has already coined a perfectly good
    >linguistic unit for an evolutionary account of language - the lingueme,
    >and I strongly suggest we adopt it - he defines it in a forthcoming
    >paper in Selection as "a token of linguistic structure". Morphemes only
    >apply to words and word parts, while phonemes refer to sound parts. Both
    >are linguemes if they are passed on entire.
    >John S Wilkins
    >Head, Communication Services
    >The Walter and Eliza Hall Institute of Medical Research
    >Parkville, Victoria, Australia
    Should the plural of lingueme be linguini?

    Grant ;-)>

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