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> "Dace" <firstname.lastname@example.org> <email@example.com> Re: Words and memesDate: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 09:07:42 -0800
>> >> Hi Ted
>> >> Good points. What if 'meme' is simply a word signifying a strand
>> >> of cultural information which resides in cultural artefacts (even a
>> >> hammer) which enables the replication of the culture?
>> >> Jeremy
>> >We've been dealing with this on the Abstractism thread. My view is
>> >that information is not a property of matter. We can have a chemist
>> >examine a hammer and report back on all its properties. The property
>> >of "hammerness" will not be among them. Neither its shape nor its
>> >potential uses make it a hammer but only our interpretation of it when
>> >see it or use it. Cultural artifacts can help spread memes, but the
>> >memes themselves are in our minds.
>> As a journeyman boat-builder I would comment that, regardless of the
>> chemists report, all experienced woodworkers would, after examining
>> the hammer, not only report that the hammer was a hammer but what
>> kind, its quality, its specific uses, and a raft of other information.
>> Even in Platonic parallels, if I find an ancient rusted hammer its
>> 'hammerness' will call to the perfect hammer that I have in my mind.
>Right. That's my point. It's a hammer only in the mind of the individuals
>for whom it corresponds to the abstract idea of "hammer." You don't have to
>be an experienced woodworker to know when an object fits this category.
A rock can become a hammer for me, when I define it as one and use it as such.
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