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> "Steve Drew" <firstname.lastname@example.org> email@example.com RE:Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 19:24:29 +0000
>>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:07:33 -0000
>From: Vincent Campbell <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> <This is assuming that all sociobiologists accept the same things
>and come to the same conclusion, but fair enough that was a bad example.
>>another - didn't Hitler claim to be an atheist? I wasn't aware that
>>confered on its followers logic, rationallity and the pursuit of
> >If only it did.† I think that if Hitler did make such a claim, I
>don't know, it does suggest the broader point that issues of morality
>amongst atheists is not necessarily one of... common ground.<
>My point exactly. Atheism is as broad as any church in the range of opinions
>that the term contains. Look back at the posting on determinism vs free will
>that went on a few days ago gives you a flavour. Iím pretty sure Hitler did
>say he was an atheist, but i canít remember where i read it. Hitlers
>*religion* (if you like), and what made his actions and beliefs possible
>were founded on the thoughts of Herbert Spencer, and others of his ilk,
>who used a corrupted version of Darwinism that led to both left and right
>wing groups advocating practical eugenics. The basis for this is if that
>there is no god, the only way to improve things if prayer wonít do it, is if
>we do it ourselves. the only way to improve things would be to cleanse the
> <Fence sitting it is not. In the absence of definitive proof either
>>make a decision on this would be based on what? - a feeling, balance
>>probabilities etc. It is not that i refuse to take a position on the
>>matter, but that the matter is irrelevant. A decision is not required
>>something that is irrelevant.>
> >I see what you mean, but unfortunately it is all too often relevant
>that religious viewpoints get preferenced and prioritized by states
>the rights of the non-religious, from restrictions on the teaching of
>evolutionary theory in parts of the US, to the UK government's new
>(just approved by parliament despite the largest rebel vote of Labour's
>in office) of faith based schools.<
>I agree. Unfortunately, belief in religion supplies a need to people who
>cannot accept the idea of *not being* (which admittedly is probably
>impossible to do) and respond by clutching at whatever comforter they can
>find, rather than plain old acceptence and resignation.
>>(I'm in the process of joining the
>National Secular Society in the UK, the founder of which achieved the
>of non-christians to affirm rather than swear by the bible in court
>small but often overlooked victory for secularism).<
>an avalanche has got to start somewhere : )
>Iíve been uming and ahing about a subscription to the Freethinker, the
>secular humanist monthly, though it can be quite fervantly anti - religious
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