Re: Memes Meta-Memes and Politics 1 of 3 (1988, updates 2002)

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    >Subject: Re: Memes Meta-Memes and Politics 1 of 3 (1988, updates 2002)
    >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:47:03 EST
    >In a message dated 2/11/2002 10:55:04 PM Central Standard Time, Scott Chase
    ><> writes:
    > > Nope. I'd like to give Cloak a serious gander, but I'd appeciate if
    > > would give Julian Huxley's stuff on "noogenetics" a look for its
    > > proto-memetic bases? I'm still hung up on his use of a term like
    > > "self-reproduction" or "self-reproducing" and how this usage ties into
    > > he says about mentifacts (and artifacts and socifacts) and noosystems.
    > > Huxley's essays found in _Knowledge, Morality and Destiny_ (1957. A
    > > Book. New American Library. New York) are "Man's place and role in
    > > based on a paper from 1954 and published in 1955. His essay "Evolution,
    > > cultural and biological" was published in 1955. These dates come from
    > > footnotes in his book.
    >Thanks, Scott.
    >This sounds interesting. Could you quote for us some of Huxley's material
    >that would count as evolutionary cultural replicator theory, or that is the
    >most suggestive of such theory?
    Check out my recent posts re: noogenetics vs. memetics. There are some
    quotes in those posts.

    In short, he talks about cultural evolution and the self-reproduction of
    mental products. You saw those posts didn't you? His book with alternative
    titles _Knowledge, Morality, & Destiny_ and _New Bottles for New Wine_ can
    probably be found in a university or possibly a public library.

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