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>From: "Grant Callaghan" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: Words and Memes
>Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:16:31 -0800
>>Which is why it doesn't make much sense to regard memes as tools. Ideas
>>tools. Ways of doing things can be thought of as tools. Memes spring up
>>when the tools start running on auto-pilot.
>I find it hard to separate ideas from memes. And how can the person who
>picks up a new meme have it running on autopilot as soon as he picks it up?
>Or wasn't it a meme he picked up?
Maybe a mentifact, a part of the noosystem...using the noogenetic approach
I wonder how L-memes and G-memes could be squared with mentifacts. socifacts
and artifacts, three thingies that relate to "social heritage" (see David
Bidney's _Theoretical Anthopology_. 1967. Schocken Books. New York, p. 130).
Mentifacts are especially intiguing as Julian Huxley presents them, their
summation pertaining to the noosystem.
In his essay "Evolution, Cultural and Biological" Huxley says:
(bq) "Mentifacts thus serve as the psychological framework of culture, the
mental organs of man in society. They express awareness or experience in
various organized ways- aesthetic and symbolic as well as intellectual- and
communicate and transmit these organizations of experience to others." (eq)
Has anyone done a detailed comparison between Huxleyian noogenetics and
Julian Huxley. 1957. Knowledge, Morality and Destiny (original title: New
Bottles for New Wine). A Mentor Book, New American Library. New York
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