Re: Memes Meta-Memes and Politics 3 of 3 (1988, updates 2002)

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    > There are other defenses against the uncritical acceptance of
    > potentially dangerous memes. Most common is the trait of rejecting all
    > newfangled ideas, where "newfangled" is usually defined as any to which
    > one has not been exposed before puberty. Societies have similar defenses
    > against new ideas. There are also powerful meta-memes, that is, memes
    > used to judge other memes. Of these, the scientific method is perhaps
    > the most effective. Logic is another system by which memes can be
    > tested, at least for consistency.

    Saying that logic is different from the scientific method is like saying
    math and physics are separable. The former is used by the latter.

    > With respect to the USSR, trade and tolerance are both at a low level.
    > Historically trade was a much smaller part of the economy during the time
    > the rest of Europe was undergoing the Renaissance. The recent attempts
    > to introduce tolerance to other modes of economic systems in the USSR
    > have more than a superficial similarity to the Catholic church finally
    > deciding to live with the Protestants. A modern-day Renaissance in the
    > USSR may be based on the free exchange of information through computers
    > and free(r) trade.
    > [Remember I wrote this in 19881]

    So you went back to the future with this huh?

    > The development of memetics provides improved mental tools (models)
    > for thinking about the influences, be they benign, silly, or fatal, that
    > replicating information patterns have on all of us. Here is a source of
    > danger if memetics comes of age and only a few learn to create meme sets
    > of great influence. Here too is liberation for those who can recognize
    > and analyze the memes to which they are exposed. If "the meme about
    > memes" infects enough people, rational social movements might become more
    > common.

    Nice article I like it...


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