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            <This is assuming that all sociobiologists accept the same things
    and come to the same conclusion, but fair enough that was a bad example.
    I'll try
    > another - didn't Hitler claim to be an atheist? I wasn't aware that
    > Atheism
    > confered on its followers logic, rationallity and the pursuit of truth.
    > :-
    > )>
            If only it did. I think that if Hitler did make such a claim, I
    don't know, it does suggest the broader point that issues of morality
    amongst atheists is not necessarily one of... common ground.

            <Fence sitting it is not. In the absence of definitive proof either
    way, to
    > make a decision on this would be based on what? - a feeling, balance of
    > probabilities etc. It is not that i refuse to take a position on the
    > matter, but that the matter is irrelevant. A decision is not required on
    > something that is irrelevant.>
            I see what you mean, but unfortunately it is all too often relevant
    that religious viewpoints get preferenced and prioritized by states denying
    the rights of the non-religious, from restrictions on the teaching of
    evolutionary theory in parts of the US, to the UK government's new programme
    (just approved by parliament despite the largest rebel vote of Labour's time
    in office) of faith based schools. (I'm in the process of joining the
    National Secular Society in the UK, the founder of which achieved the right
    of non-christians to affirm rather than swear by the bible in court cases, a
    small but often overlooked victory for secularism).


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