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From: Steve Drew (srdrew_1@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 07 2002 - 22:06:11 GMT

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    Hi Scott and Joe.

    Sorry Scott, your original messge dosínt appear to have come through, so i
    will try an answer via Joes composite.

    >Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:18:28 -0800
    From: "Joe Dees" <joedees@addall.com>
    Subject: RE: Re:

    >"Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com> memetics@mmu.ac.uk Re: Date: Tue,
    05 Feb 2002 18:12:49 -0500
    >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >>From: "Steve Drew" <srdrew_1@hotmail.com>
    >>Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >>To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    >>Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 22:31:47 +0000
    >>
    >>Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:38:32 -0000
    >>From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
    >>Subject: RE: Islam's Captive Women
    >>
    >>†††††† <Atheism. It is impossible. to my mind, to prove or disprove
    the
    >>existence of god, so Atheism is a religion of sorts. This does not
    stop
    >>the
    >>>sociobiologists from from asssigning *roles*† :-)>
    >>>
    >>†††††† >Atheism means the absence of religious belief, it is in no way
    >>equivalent to or the same as a religion.† Atheists do not share moral
    >>and
    >>ethical codes, do not share attitudes towards things like race and
    >>gender
    >>etc. as a result of their being atheists.<

    Do hindus, Monotheists and animists? atheism falls under the definiotion of
    religion as it cannot to my mind be irrefutably proven, and therefore
    requires an element of belief.

    >>
    >>I was not aware that religions had the same shared attitudes etc.
    >>
    >>†††††† >Religions claim that it is impossible to prove or disprove the
    >>existence of god, and that in itself is a reason to reject them- they
    >>reject
    >>the notion of falsifiability, and therefore their assertions are
    >>irrational.<
    >>
    >>Religions do reject the notion of falsifiability, but not the proof of
    gods
    >>existence. "except by faith" etc is their proof, which i agree is not
    >>scientific. If you do have a proof of gods non existance, i would love
    to
    >>know as there are always god botherers around i would like to upset.
    >
    Go to:
    >http://www.philoonline.org/library/index.htm
    for some dandy ones.<

    If my reading list gets any longer, i shall have to quit the list just to
    finish it :- ) Thanks anyway.

    >
    >What i
    >>meant by atheism having anti women components was as i said, that
    those of
    >>the reductionist sociobiological bent force roles upon males and
    female,
    >>with the females copping for the worst of it.
    >>
    >Sociobiology takes a stance on the evolutionary bases of behavior. I
    don't
    >see a necessary relevance for existence/non-exitence of a deity or
    designer
    >in sociobiology. There isn't a likely one to one correpondence between
    >sociobiology and atheism. Some atheists might not agree with
    sociobiology
    >and it could be possible for some sort of theistic evolutionist to
    agree
    >with the tenets of sociobiology.<

    Very true. A point i've put in a post to Vincent

    >>
    >>One of my tutors pointed out that agnosticism may be the best choice -
    God
    >>may or may not exist, but i will worry about it† only when he knocks
    on my
    >>door.
    >>
    >>
    >I prefer agnosticism to atheism, the latter tending to take a stronger
    >stance on the existence of a deity.
    >
    >
    >

    As ive metioned before, can we come up with some convention which avoids
    multiple replies. I feel like Custer when i count the arrows. - Aw S***
    :-) ie avoid the *reply to * and do alittle *cut and paste* instead?

    All ty[ing erroras are due to the presence of my cat Freddy (on my lap and
    keyboard) as his way of protesting at my neglect of my primary duty to fuss
    him due to reading the list. We dont own cats, were their tin openers, door
    openers, and all that lies beyond the reach of a strong right paw.

    BTW Wade was the fetid dingos kindeys a reference to Douglas Adams, a it
    rings a bell?

    Regards

    Steve

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