RE: ply to Grant

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Date: Thu Feb 07 2002 - 15:22:25 GMT

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    Hi Wade,


    > I would have said that cinema, as a medium, with it's need to montage,
    > and the frame of its POV, and its temporal distance from the recorded
    > event, is practically _limited_ to fiction. It was TV, with its real-time
    > 24/7 ability to distribute, that approaches non-fiction in its essence.
    > But, that's media study and cinema crit stuff....>
    > Well, that's true to some extent. There certainly were logistical
    > problems of filming real events with early cameras making it easier to put
    > things in front of the frame etc. Yet there was a demand for "real" film,
    > often met with what today look like really obvious fakes (e.g. 1905 San
    > Francisco earthquake) because of the problems of really filming such
    > events.
    The thing is that the conventions of montage emerged, to some extent, out of
    how people used film, and experimented with it. The way Grant is arguing it
    sound like you should be crediting Gutenberg for Shakespeare, or to keep the
    film analogy going to thank Edison/Lumieres for Eisenstein.

    There was also the scientific use of the photographic image, evident in a
    lot of the 19th early 20th century rhetoric about these new media forms. All
    I was saying was that how a technology impacts on society isn't determined
    by the inventor of that technology.

    I don't know if the segway makers have ever heard of the Sinclair C5 (the
    Spectrum inventor's most public flop). I believe there are some nostalgic
    websites about this previous attempt to revolutionize how people get around
    that would be useful lesson (basically that if people think they'll look
    silly using it, it doesn't matter how useful it is, it won't sell).
    Besides, as a firm believer in all that late 20th century sci-fi said about
    what the 21st century would be like, I want my flying car, and I wnat it

    My techie colleague, who does most of the clever stuff in our online Masters
    programme, is always going on about the value of books, and how one of the
    first things a smart techie with a new piece of kit does is get an
    authoritative book on it. The more things change the more they stay the
    same (including the cliches).


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