Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id IAA24077 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:33:46 GMT Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 00:28:05 -0800 Message-Id: <200202070828.g178S5l02961@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [22.214.171.124] From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Words and memes Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: Words and memesDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:06:54 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <firstname.lastname@example.org> "Memetics Discussion List" <email@example.com>Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
>Hi Joe Dees -
>>Plenty of significant behavior (including both performative and
>>communicative) can only be engaged in after reading communicative
>>artifacts such as (text)books.
>Transposing terms (although your point is basically complete, and such
>transposition is fairly unrequired to be valid in the behavior-only
>stance, with the exception of the useless adjectives 'performative' and
>'communicative', which the stance ignores as unnecessary adjectival
>"Plenty of memes can only be performed after reading communicative
>artifacts such as (text)books."
>Likewise, of course, plenty of memes can only be performed after the
>observation of one.
>That the memetic process requires perception is hardly arguable. That it
>can involve the perceptions of meaningful artefacts is also irrefutable.
>I would only add that behavior itself is the last requirement.
But not the only one; for artifact or behavior prompted behavior to be anything other than random movements, it requires nonrandom instruction, that is, meaningful instruction such as meaningful behavior to copy or follow (a behavior that results from a verbal instruction produces the meaning encoded in the instruction, rather than reproducing the act of mouthing the instruction) or meaningful artifactual (say, written) instruction to follow. And all communications are performances, but all performances are not communications. All sayings are doings, but not all doings are sayings.
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