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> "Dace" <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Words and memesDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:33:31 -0800
>> >If "meme" is taken to be equivalent to "idea," then it becomes culturally
>> >universalized and ceases to have meaning. On the other hand, if
>> >"meme" is equated with "learned behavior," then it becomes biologically
>> >universalized and also ceases to have meaning. Any term that can be
>> >collapsed into another term is just an abstraction. It has no existence
>> >outside of the word we've made up for it.
>> Hi Ted
>> Good points. What if 'meme' is simply a word signifying a strand of
>> cultural information which resides in cultural artefacts (even a hammer)
>> which enables the replication of the culture?
>We've been dealing with this on the Abstractism thread. My view is that
>information is not a property of matter. We can have a chemist examine a
>hammer and report back on all its properties. The property of "hammerness"
>will not be among them. Neither its shape nor its potential uses make it a
>hammer but only our interpretation of it when see it or use it. Cultural
>artifacts can help spread memes, but the memes themselves are in our minds.
One has to be aware of the proper use of a hammer to properly use it, but one has only to be able to read a language to grasp any number of messages encoded in it, and they are encoded by intentionally configuring the matter (say, ink on paper) used.
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