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> >If "meme" is taken to be equivalent to "idea," then it becomes culturally
> >universalized and ceases to have meaning. On the other hand, if
> >"meme" is equated with "learned behavior," then it becomes biologically
> >universalized and also ceases to have meaning. Any term that can be
> >collapsed into another term is just an abstraction. It has no existence
> >outside of the word we've made up for it.
> Hi Ted
> Good points. What if 'meme' is simply a word signifying a strand of
> cultural information which resides in cultural artefacts (even a hammer)
> which enables the replication of the culture?
We've been dealing with this on the Abstractism thread. My view is that
information is not a property of matter. We can have a chemist examine a
hammer and report back on all its properties. The property of "hammerness"
will not be among them. Neither its shape nor its potential uses make it a
hammer but only our interpretation of it when see it or use it. Cultural
artifacts can help spread memes, but the memes themselves are in our minds.
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