Re: Selfish meme?

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    >From: "Joe Dees" <>
    >Subject: Re: Selfish meme?
    >Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:32:19 -0800
    > >Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:24:22 +1100
    > > Jeremy Bradley <> Re: Selfish
    > >
    > >At 08:52 AM 4/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
    > >>On 02/04/02 01:43, Jeremy Bradley said this-
    > >>
    > >>>I must continue to enquire into
    > >>>why Western 'civilisation' can tolerate behaviours which are
    > >>>suicidal.
    > >>
    > >>I'm not aware of any human society, past or present, that does not
    > >>tolerate environmentally dangerous behaviors.
    > >>
    > >>The degree of danger and behavior are variable, but, really, no society,
    > >>east, west, north, or south, lives in the paradise of synergism with
    > >>nature that such romanticism demands.
    > >>
    > >>- Wade
    > >
    > >
    > >Wade
    > >I suggest that you enquire into the "synergism with nature" practiced by
    > >most indigenous societies. See Knudson and Suzuki "Wisdom of the Elders"
    > >for well researched examples from all regions.
    > >Whilst the early Australian civilisations did make impacts which caused
    > >extinctions, once they realised the fragile nature of this land they
    > >developed systems of land management which remained stable for many
    > >thousands of years - colonial practices have severely damaged the entire
    > >continent in a mere two hundred years. Native American peoples (both
    > >and south) also had management practices which could have maintained
    > >rivers, air and seas in reasonable condition.
    > >Wade please don't be so defensive. I am only pointing out that due to
    > >current corrupt US energy policies much environmental damage will occur.
    > >Here in Australia (and we are not blameless either) the latest research
    > >estimates that during the next fifty years we will lose up to half of our
    > >eucalypt species and a quarter of the large marsupials. Also, coral reefs
    > >will die throughout the Pacific. This will expose low-lying areas to
    > >damage and inundation. Many island nations will become uninhabitable and
    > >extreme wether will cause massive loss of life.
    > >In the longer term, maybe 150 years, the planet will not support humans.
    > >Does that not make our carelessness and corruption crimes against
    > >Genesis 1.26 places man over nature, this is (according to my meme-maps)
    > >aberration in the human mythscape as all other early cultures were
    > >to exist in nature, not above it.
    > >Jeremy
    > >
    >At least you aussies can eat rabbits; consider them a return gift for your
    >voracious meleleuca.
    They've got voracious cane toads (*Bufo marinus*) too which are a perfect
    exchange for Australian "pine" (*Casuarina* spp.)

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