Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id XAA22936 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:43:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [184.108.40.206] From: "Scott Chase" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Selfish meme? Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:37:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F286HBM7nAqN0spmEMu00017755@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Feb 2002 23:37:32.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F40D3F0:01C1AF67] Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com
>From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Re: Selfish meme?
>Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:32:19 -0800
> >Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:24:22 +1100
> > email@example.com Jeremy Bradley <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Selfish
> >At 08:52 AM 4/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
> >>On 02/04/02 01:43, Jeremy Bradley said this-
> >>>I must continue to enquire into
> >>>why Western 'civilisation' can tolerate behaviours which are
> >>I'm not aware of any human society, past or present, that does not
> >>tolerate environmentally dangerous behaviors.
> >>The degree of danger and behavior are variable, but, really, no society,
> >>east, west, north, or south, lives in the paradise of synergism with
> >>nature that such romanticism demands.
> >>- Wade
> >I suggest that you enquire into the "synergism with nature" practiced by
> >most indigenous societies. See Knudson and Suzuki "Wisdom of the Elders"
> >for well researched examples from all regions.
> >Whilst the early Australian civilisations did make impacts which caused
> >extinctions, once they realised the fragile nature of this land they
> >developed systems of land management which remained stable for many
> >thousands of years - colonial practices have severely damaged the entire
> >continent in a mere two hundred years. Native American peoples (both
> >and south) also had management practices which could have maintained
> >rivers, air and seas in reasonable condition.
> >Wade please don't be so defensive. I am only pointing out that due to
> >current corrupt US energy policies much environmental damage will occur.
> >Here in Australia (and we are not blameless either) the latest research
> >estimates that during the next fifty years we will lose up to half of our
> >eucalypt species and a quarter of the large marsupials. Also, coral reefs
> >will die throughout the Pacific. This will expose low-lying areas to
> >damage and inundation. Many island nations will become uninhabitable and
> >extreme wether will cause massive loss of life.
> >In the longer term, maybe 150 years, the planet will not support humans.
> >Does that not make our carelessness and corruption crimes against
> >Genesis 1.26 places man over nature, this is (according to my meme-maps)
> >aberration in the human mythscape as all other early cultures were
> >to exist in nature, not above it.
>At least you aussies can eat rabbits; consider them a return gift for your
They've got voracious cane toads (*Bufo marinus*) too which are a perfect
exchange for Australian "pine" (*Casuarina* spp.)
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