Re: Selfish meme?

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    >Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:24:22 +1100
    > Jeremy Bradley <> Re: Selfish meme?Reply-To:
    >At 08:52 AM 4/02/02 -0500, you wrote:
    >>On 02/04/02 01:43, Jeremy Bradley said this-
    >>>I must continue to enquire into
    >>>why Western 'civilisation' can tolerate behaviours which are environmentaly
    >>I'm not aware of any human society, past or present, that does not
    >>tolerate environmentally dangerous behaviors.
    >>The degree of danger and behavior are variable, but, really, no society,
    >>east, west, north, or south, lives in the paradise of synergism with
    >>nature that such romanticism demands.
    >>- Wade
    >I suggest that you enquire into the "synergism with nature" practiced by
    >most indigenous societies. See Knudson and Suzuki "Wisdom of the Elders"
    >for well researched examples from all regions.
    >Whilst the early Australian civilisations did make impacts which caused
    >extinctions, once they realised the fragile nature of this land they
    >developed systems of land management which remained stable for many
    >thousands of years - colonial practices have severely damaged the entire
    >continent in a mere two hundred years. Native American peoples (both north
    >and south) also had management practices which could have maintained land,
    >rivers, air and seas in reasonable condition.
    >Wade please don't be so defensive. I am only pointing out that due to
    >current corrupt US energy policies much environmental damage will occur.
    >Here in Australia (and we are not blameless either) the latest research
    >estimates that during the next fifty years we will lose up to half of our
    >eucalypt species and a quarter of the large marsupials. Also, coral reefs
    >will die throughout the Pacific. This will expose low-lying areas to storm
    >damage and inundation. Many island nations will become uninhabitable and
    >extreme wether will cause massive loss of life.
    >In the longer term, maybe 150 years, the planet will not support humans.
    >Does that not make our carelessness and corruption crimes against humanity?
    >Genesis 1.26 places man over nature, this is (according to my meme-maps) an
    >aberration in the human mythscape as all other early cultures were directed
    >to exist in nature, not above it.
    At least you aussies can eat rabbits; consider them a return gift for your voracious meleleuca.
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