Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id HAA19717 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:57:56 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:52:10 -0800 Message-Id: <200202060752.g167qAA17299@mail3.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [220.127.116.11] From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org> To: email@example.com Subject: Re: Abstractism Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Scott Chase" <firstname.lastname@example.org> email@example.com Re: AbstractismDate: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 00:09:07 -0500
>>From: "Joe Dees" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>Subject: Re: Abstractism
>>Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:25:55 -0800
>> >Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:24:44 -0500
>> > Re: Abstractism "Wade T.Smith" <email@example.com>
>> >On Saturday, February 2, 2002, at 11:42 , Grant Callaghan wrote:
>> >> The Rorschach test conveys information to some of the people who see
>> >> it, even though no information was transmitted.
>> >> Transmitting an idea is a complicated process that goes far beyond
>> >> keying words onto a surface for someone to read.
>> >And there you have the cup and the lip.
>> >Of course, there's a real problem in you saying that the Rorschach test
>> >has no information to transmit. First off, it's man-made. That's a big
>> >'duh'. (Okay, it's made by psychologists- you have a point. What real
>> >information have any of them ever come up with, after all....) And
>> >anything non-chaotic and procedural has information, and the Rorschach
>> >tests are always symmetrical designs- far from informationlessness.
>>Left-right symmetricality and color (black on white) would seem to be the
>>only thing that individual rorshach blots have in common.
>Don't people tend to impose some sort of pattern on them blots though? I
>know I've looked at some interestingly shaped clouds before.
Of course they do, but the imposition (as the word implies) is from within, and interfaces the imposer's perspective upon the random and meaninless stimulus (or so the analyst hopes).
>I'm not saying the typical usage of the ink blots is valid, just
>(self-referentially?) reflecting on the capacity we may have to see stuff
>that ain't really there, like when a friend of mine once pointed out that a
>smallish tree (or shrub?) on the side of the road looked slightly like
>Freddy Krueger in a certain angle of the streetlight as we passed by in a
Yep, that's it; those who had not seen the movies would lack the internal wherewithal with which to make the imposition.
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