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> "Grant Callaghan" <email@example.com> firstname.lastname@example.org Re: Selfish memes ?Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 07:28:23 -0800
>> >>On Monday, February 4, 2002, at 10:33 , Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
>> >>>Why can 't altruistic behavior in the extreme not be a case of
>> >>>selfishness !?
>> >>Society itself is a dance around this- the cultural environment is, like
>> >>that village we all done heard tell about a few years ago, what raises
>> >>the child, after all. Sacrifices to that environment are beneficial
>> >>(they can be...) to that environment, and thus, ones genes are given a
>> >>further chance to keep going.
>> >>Strong sociocultural units are survival mechanisms, and always have
>> >>Like ants, however, such 'selfishness' as this sort of altruism is,
>> >>needs obeisance and dependence.
>> >>- Wade
>> >Are you implying that the soldiers who seemed so eager to go to
>> >to fight the Al Quaeda and the Taliban and perhaps lose their lives in
>> >process did so out of obeisance and dependence?
>>Yes, to what their mullahs told them was the will of Allah. The term
>>'Islam' may be translated as 'Submission'.
>Are you saying the mullahs told American soldiers to go to Afghanistan and
>fight the Al Quaeda and the Taliban? That's a strange view of the
>situation. You must have misread my post. ;-)>
No, they did so because they had committed themselves to a military system that denies them certain freedoms (US military are not covered under the US Constitution, but under the UCMJ, the Uniform Code of Military Justice) so that they may be organized into a fighting force that is more efficacious in protecting those constitutional freedoms for others (including their friends and family) and for themselves once they leave military service. At least that was my rationalization when I spent a tour of duty in a fascistic top-down organization in order to preserve, protect and defend a bottom-up participatory democracy.
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