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> "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> <email@example.com> Re: Selfish memes ?Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:15:46 +0100
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>From: Keith Henson <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>> Jeeze guys. "Selfish" in context of gene, memes or computer viruses is
>> *metaphor*. It is a short way of expressing in the fact that genes that
>> build bodies better able to get the those genes into the next generation
>> become more common in future generations. Darwinian evolution has been
>> restated in the past decades not as "survival" so much as reproductive
>> Please don't try to make a big deal out of something so simple.
>I suppose this was adressed to me, if not... sorry !
>I don 't want to make a big deal out of something you think is simple.
>IMO, it is not !
>Maybe you don 't know this, but upon this list I ' defend ' a some what
>individualistic view. That is, where you think that the kin group is impor-
>tant for any behavior, trait or habit I try to come to the same result star-
>ting from an individualistic point of view.
>Throughout history, psychology and philosophy, place and status of the
>individual has been always problematic. I am interested in the ' why '.
>It seems, according to which position you wanna take in, that the indi-
>vidual exist and does not exist_ that allegedly to the notion if our lust
>knowledge is an anthropological tendency or not.
>Selfishness is related to individualism, to authenicity and autonomy_ and
>that is just the problem !
>Selfishness implies something that is above the group, and we can 't handle
>this. Selfishness means, standing out, being somebody, profilating yourself.
>In the context of memes, the notion that memes could be in such a way
>selfish, is apparently too hot to handle.
>The problem of dichotomy is playing tricks on us.
>For all we know are , the group- related behavioral traits and habits bio-
>logical/ anthropological biased, and that should mean that ' individual/
>individualistic and indiviualism ' are execptions to the rule.
>In a way, thinking that memes would be selfisch is then impossible !
>And moreover, any ' individual '- aspect of something would be re-
>garded as hostile and inferior... because the ' group ' is in charge, gives
>meaning, conduct rules and laws.
>See what happens in biology, one man, one view... Darwin !
>All the rest is bullshit ! Are you sure !? I am not !
>It is not Darwin who have set the rules of the game,... the group scientist
>who followed his footsteps did, and still does !
>Are you sure you follow Darwin or do you think that you follow the group !?
>Both are different approaches !
Genes can be genetic, memes can be memetic, but only selves can be selfish.
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