Re: Fw: sex and the single meme

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    > >> Could you give me a (behaviorist) definition of what
    > >> you consider a meme.

    > Memes are behaviors of culture that are replicated, in some
    > fashion, after perception, by another.
    > They are external activities. Artefacts are products of memes.
    > Spoor, if you will. Written passages are products of memes.
    > And that's it.
    > And it's _not_ a behaviorist definition at all. It's a
    > definition that attempts to isolate the meme to its only
    > _verifiable_ and _studiable_ location.
    > Thus, we don't talk, memetically, about what Picasso _could_
    > have done, we talk about what he did.
    > We don't drive the parts of the car or the processes of
    > manufacturing in the factory, we drive the car produced by the
    > these things.
    > We don't put our cereal in the clay on the potter's wheel, we
    > put it in the finished product fired in the kiln- and we can't
    > analyze or 'see' memes in the brain, or use them, in the same
    > way, although we can see the processes and the parts, or we will
    > be able to, with more and increased fMRI and other studies.
    > It is a practical, locational, definition, separate from
    > instinctual or autonomic behaviors, although, yes, instinct is
    > also a process in the meme factory.

    Okay, fair enough. However, I can't see why instinct has anything to do
    with meme-processing. If instinct was that important wouldn't more
    animals have developed a culture too?


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