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> >> Could you give me a (behaviorist) definition of what
> >> you consider a meme.
> Memes are behaviors of culture that are replicated, in some
> fashion, after perception, by another.
> They are external activities. Artefacts are products of memes.
> Spoor, if you will. Written passages are products of memes.
> And that's it.
> And it's _not_ a behaviorist definition at all. It's a
> definition that attempts to isolate the meme to its only
> _verifiable_ and _studiable_ location.
> Thus, we don't talk, memetically, about what Picasso _could_
> have done, we talk about what he did.
> We don't drive the parts of the car or the processes of
> manufacturing in the factory, we drive the car produced by the
> these things.
> We don't put our cereal in the clay on the potter's wheel, we
> put it in the finished product fired in the kiln- and we can't
> analyze or 'see' memes in the brain, or use them, in the same
> way, although we can see the processes and the parts, or we will
> be able to, with more and increased fMRI and other studies.
> It is a practical, locational, definition, separate from
> instinctual or autonomic behaviors, although, yes, instinct is
> also a process in the meme factory.
Okay, fair enough. However, I can't see why instinct has anything to do
with meme-processing. If instinct was that important wouldn't more
animals have developed a culture too?
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