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Date: Tue Feb 05 2002 - 22:31:47 GMT

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    Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:38:32 -0000
    From: Vincent Campbell <v.p.campbell@stir.ac.uk>
    Subject: RE: Islam's Captive Women

            <Atheism. It is impossible. to my mind, to prove or disprove the
    existence of god, so Atheism is a religion of sorts. This does not stop
    >sociobiologists from from asssigning *roles*  :-)>
    >Atheism means the absence of religious belief, it is in no way
    equivalent to or the same as a religion.  Atheists do not share moral
    ethical codes, do not share attitudes towards things like race and
    etc. as a result of their being atheists.<

    I was not aware that religions had the same shared attitudes etc.

    >Religions claim that it is impossible to prove or disprove the
    existence of god, and that in itself is a reason to reject them- they
    the notion of falsifiability, and therefore their assertions are

    Religions do reject the notion of falsifiability, but not the proof of gods
    existence. "except by faith" etc is their proof, which i agree is not
    scientific. If you do have a proof of gods non existance, i would love to
    know as there are always god botherers around i would like to upset. What i
    meant by atheism having anti women components was as i said, that those of
    the reductionist sociobiological bent force roles upon males and female,
    with the females copping for the worst of it.

    One of my tutors pointed out that agnosticism may be the best choice - God
    may or may not exist, but i will worry about it only when he knocks on my

            <With regard to the Swiss, they do indeed have an enviable
    >democracy - if you are Swiss. Untill recently, the words *Swiss bank
    >account* and *annonymity* in world finances were synonymous. cf the
    >surrounding the holocaust etc.>
    >I wasn't going to raise the Swiss question but being a country
    surrounded by high mountains played a major part in its 'success' (it is
    remarkably authoritarian and insular nation in many ways).<

    This is true as i pointed out. The good point is that how many countries are
    legally obliged to recognise certain referenda of their citizens. Not many
    that i am aware of.

            <BTW, interesting piece in the Times (UK) supplement re Iran and the

    >comparison with  other muslim thoecracies.  The discusions on the list
    >not have appeared to fully reflected the many nuances that relates to
    >worship (and i have to admit my own ignorance here). If i can find the
    >on this i will post it>
    > Cheers.


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