Re: ply to Grant

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    >Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:21:25 +1100
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    At 09:05 PM 3/02/02 +0000, Steve wrote:


    >I donít share your opinion that memes are† just a linguistic problem at
    >moment, though i do agree this is a very important area to examine.
    There is
    >still the question of the extent of biological behaviour, where
    >takes over from† biology, and what i would term the gene/meme feedback
    >that that gave rise to society in the first place.

    >Hey Steve
    I didn't say that memes were linguistic at all. What I did say was that
    through my study of cultural narratives I was able to 'map' a cultural
    (code) which was specific to that culture. I would add that the code was
    discernable in all other artefacts which were recognised as 'valid'
    that culture. The conclusion which I drew from this study was that
    itself is a human artefact and is the product of its own stories.
    It is like the old conundrum of the egg and chicken - the chicken
    the egg and the egg produces the chicken but both share the same genes.<

    I agree with you. I was replying to Grants concerns about linguistics, not
    yours. One of the questions i chose to answer on my course was about which
    came first - man or culture. - chicken or egg.

    >Snip.......Steve also wrote

    >Both Grant and Jeremy seem to have some knowledge of the Far East, so
    >may be able to help me. In an essay for a tutor a few years ago i
    >that, contrary to her assertion, Japanese racism that was displayed in
    >was not the result of capitalism, but that there was a much earlier
    >ie one of the reason for the closure of Japan,s borders to the outside
    >world, which pre-dates the rise of capitalism, was due to the
    perception of
    >outsiders as barbarians with no honour, a form of racism. Needless to
    say it
    >was not well recieved. :- )
    >What are your thoughts (or anybody else for that matter)† on this?
    I think that you were right Steve. It was a meme-team conflict



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