Re: Abstractism

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    The way I understand it, Mr. Rorschach just spilled some ink on a piece
    paper and folder it over with no intention of transmitting a message.
    was creating a convenient equivalent of clouds for his patients.  I
    intention has a great deal to do with transmitting messages.  Anything
    transmitted without intent is not a message.


    It may not be a message, but it is information. If you go back to my ’novice
    at a dinner party’ example from earlier, the other diners are not
    instructing the novice intentionally. The novice is learning by copying,
    while the other guests are behaving (by their own criteria) normally.
    Therefore they are transmitting an unintentional message - "this is the
    behaviour you adopt at dinner parties" and which the novice endevours to
    adopt. Irving Goffman wrote quite a bit about this sort of *subliminal*
    messaging (and many other social psychologists). This is also part of where
    i see the problem of who is doing the choosing - us or the meme.



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