Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id CAA08406 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Sat, 2 Feb 2002 02:10:14 GMT Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:04:28 -0800 Message-Id: <200202020204.g1224SH16942@mail16.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [188.8.131.52] From: "Joe Dees" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: Abstractism Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> Re: AbstractismDate: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:47:06 -0500
> "Wade T.Smith" <email@example.com> "Memetics Discussion List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>Reply-To: email@example.com
>Hi Joe Dees -
>>If I say to someone else that the bacon's in the fridge, and they tell a
>>third person, then meaningful information has been replicated, a necessary
>>and sufficient condition for memetic propagation to be said to have taken
>>place. It would also result in the modification of behavior; the third
>>person would look for the bacon in the fridge rather than in the freezer.
>It is a claim of yours about memetics that this exchange of information
>is memetic propagation. (It is not a claim I accept.)
>Because I could claim, with equal validity, that's it's got nothing to do
>with memetics whatsoever- it's just like the dance of the honey bee. The
>location of a food has been expressed in both instances.
But it was expressed in an arbitrary and human-created language that is understood by instruction and mutual convention, not in an instinctual, species-universal, innate and frozen system. If I was to give the same message to an Urdu speaker, (s)he wouldn't understand it.
>(There is no modification of behavior, however, as we have not observed
>this third person going to the freezer at all from your presentation.)
If it were me, I'd be there (and have been numerous times when informed of the location of victuals). Call me anything, but don't call me late for dinner.
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