Re: ality

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    > "Dace" <> <> Re: alityDate: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:39:49 -0800
    >> Dace,
    >> I liked your explication of spacetime.
    >> It came to grips with the relationship between
    >> mind and reality pretty well. One more item that should be included
    >> is our used of the term "dimension." People talk of dimensions as if
    >> they were places rather than measuring tools.
    >Directionality is embedded in space. There are three directions to space,
    >regardless of whether we conceptualize this fact according to the term
    >"dimension." When we treat the forces of nature as if they had nine spatial
    >dimensions, they unify into a single, primordial force. This suggests we've
    >lost six dimensions, which failed to unfold at the time of the big bang.
    It is unclear at the present time whether the 10-dimension model, the 11-dimension model, or some other number of dimensions is correct.
    >> Time is just the distance traveled by the object measured by the
    >> other three dimensions compared to the speed and distance of
    >> some other object -- most often the rotation of the earth.
    >Distance is not a property of time. Time is nowhere in particular.
    And space is nowhen in particular? Funny; I feel kinda extended right now. Actually, spacetime is everywherewhen in general.
    > You
    >can't be close to it or far away.
    Actually, you haveta be both with regard to spatiotemporality, unless you're infinitely and eternally extended.
    > That might have to do with the fact that
    >it's what you're made of. You're a living expression of time, a rivulet of
    >time on its own course down the years, ultimately to be reabsorbed in
    >universal time.
    Actually, (reality check!) we're more than 80% water.
    >> Therefore dimensions, too, are human constructs used to map the
    >> universe we see inside our brains.
    >We don't see anything in our brains. It's dark in there. We see the world
    >around us, not a model constructed (upside-down) in the backs of our beads.
    >The brain isn't a TV, and we're not homunculi.
    We see WITH or brains, through our eyes. There was an experiment done where students wore eyeglasses that inverted (or uninverted) everything. After a few weeks, their brains reoriented themselves relative to their new stimulus.
    >> Space is a place, the measurement of space is not.
    >Correct. Measurement is mental and therefore temporal, prior to and
    >posterior to the brain, which it determines and which, in turn, determines
    measurement is mental, but it is a matter of a material substrate brain, existing in spacetime, whose complex and dynamically recursive configurations permit the emergence of a self which can, among other talents, measure other spatiotemporal things by comparing them to still others.
    >> Dimensions are just ways of looking at
    >> space by comparing one arbitrarily chosen section of it to another.
    >> Again, the comparison takes place in the brain and not in space.
    >> Grant
    >How can it take place in the brain, a spatial object, when it doesn't even
    >take place in space?
    I think that you have been rightfully taken to task in other posts on this benighted point so well that there is no need for me to pile on this particular error.
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