Singularity (was +ve or -ve curvature)

From: John Croft (
Date: Thu Jan 31 2002 - 14:55:11 GMT

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    > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:47:59 -0800
    > From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    > Subject: Re: +ve or -ve curvature (was: necessity of
    > mental memes)
    > >
    > >Jo wrote to my post
    > A beautiful picture, John. I have seen emergence
    > encompassing AI rather
    > than AI producing its own emergence separate from
    > the noosphere. If
    > computers do become self replicating, as they have
    > the potential of doing if
    > we start using DNA in their construction, then your
    > prediction seems highly
    > plausible. I read today that there's going to be a
    > conference on
    > non-silicon chip building in the near future. The
    > basic elements of a
    > computer (the switches) have already been made out
    > of DNA, nanotubes, single
    > molecules of metal, and who knows what else we still
    > haven't heard about.
    > Self constructing arrays of nanotubes have also been
    > developed in a test
    > tube. We may yet be able to cram libraries of
    > information into a space
    > smaller than a chromasome and make it self
    > replicating in a way that DNA is
    > not. Who knows what might emerge from that
    > scenerio? Do you believe in
    > Kurzweil's "singularity?"

    In terms of Kurzweil's extrapolation of Moore's Law
    and the acceleration of Technological progress, I
    think we have passed the point of inflection and the
    speed of technological developments will be slowing
    down. Less money is being spent on pure science as
    the economic system demands immediate application of
    existing technologies. And yet it is out of the pure
    science that the technological adaptions for new
    systems has always come. The best and brightest
    students are being attracted to law, business and
    accounting degrees and away from science and

    And yet I still feel that there is an Omega point
    around the corner. But we need to take into account
    the social, political and the economic trends, not
    just the technological. And this makes it more
    "messy" and human. In any case I see us as
    participating in a race with catastrophe resting on an
    indeterminate knife edge.

    Perhaps more can come out if others explore this issue



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