Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id BAA01357 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:36:14 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:30:26 -0800 Message-Id: <200201300130.g0U1UQo08880@mail20.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [18.104.22.168] From: "Joe Dees" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: neccesity of mental memes Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Steve Drew" <email@example.com> firstname.lastname@example.org Re: neccesity of mental memesDate: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:59:17 +0000
><Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:51:28 -0800
>From: "Grant Callaghan" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: neccesity of mental memes
>I was talking about the movement of earth and the rest of the universe,
>which is what time measures. I wasn't separating them. But mainly I
>talking about how we use the concepts in coversation and refer to
>measurements as if they were objects or places. Motion would exist
>we measure it or not. But the measurement of motion would not exist
>us. Space would exist whether we measure it or not. But spacetime is a
>we invented of looking at the universe and thinking about it. It is not
>New ways of looking at it will no doubt be invented in the future. Ways
>that will change our perceptions just as Einstein's revelation changed
> But our perceptions consist of what we do with the data we receive
>our senses and how we use it to build a map of the universe inside our
>heads. When we start manipulating the map to come up with new theories,
>shouldn't confuse our theories with what we are theorizing about. Even
>Hawking has said he doesn't yet believe in time travel, although he
>agnostic position on the issue. I may be wrong, but my position is more
>Thanks for the clarification.
we cannot confuse the map with the territory, but when the map allows us to successfully navigate the territory, we must admit that the map bears a high degree of descriptive fidelity to the territory.
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