Re: Rogue Males/moral prescriptions

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Date: Tue Jan 29 2002 - 23:14:46 GMT

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    Grant said:

    >"The solitary individual can structure time in two ways: activity
    >qnd fantasy. An individual can remain solitary even in the presence
    >of others, as every schoolteacher knows. When one is a member of a
    >social aggregation of two or more people, there are several options
    >for structuring time. In order of complexity, these are: (1)
    >rituals, (2) Pastimes, (3) Games, (4) Intimacy and (5) Activity,
    >which may form a matrix for any of the others.

    Could you go into this a little more, or is it in the book? What is
    the difference between a Game and a Pastime? Why does he place
    Activity after Intimacy? Does this reflect a sort of
    complexity-of-interaction continuum?

    > The goal of each member of the aggregation is to obtain as many
    >satisfactions as possible from his transactions with other members.
    >The more accessible he is, the more satisfactions he can obtain.
    >Most of the programming of his social operations is automatic.
    >Since some of the "satisfactions" obtained under this programming,
    >such as the destructive ones, are difficult to recognize in the
    >usual sense of the word "satisfactions," it would be better to
    >substitute some more non-committal term, such as "gains" or

    Hey, I remember this book, I think....Parent, adult and child egos,
    right? I was interested in the ego states stuff and just flew by the
    other. It never crossed my mind to make the connection you have.
    And I never realized he had a whole systematic theory behind it all.
    Now I'll have to go back and read it again. Family systems therapy
    also looks at how negative behaviors can be adaptive in maintaining
    family homeostasis, so the two might dovetail nicely, especially when
    you think of family "culture" which also leads us back to memetics.
    And of course this ties in with Keith's reward centers in the brain.
    And of course..... This gives me a lot to think about. Off to add
    another book to my already-staggering reading list...... Which
    reminds me, I found William Calvin's website, he has a number of his
    books up on the web, as well as a list of books he recommends.


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