Re: Meme bonding

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Date: Tue Jan 29 2002 - 20:52:56 GMT

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    On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 03:31 , Francesca S. Alcorn wrote:

    > And I don't believe it is chaotic, not for a second.

    I don't either, which is why I said 'managed chaos'- perhaps not
    micro-managed enough....

    > Who knows, we might just come up with something which *does*
    > make it possible to quantify this. Certainly we will *not* if
    > no one ever makes the attempt.

    And I'm not saying (nor is the external stance) that such
    investigation is not needed or pointful. (We're just saying that
    what will be found ain't gonna be memes.) Yes, the brain has
    processes that definitely can be quantified and analyzed, and
    many of them might be involved in cultural concerns, whereas we
    can say with certainty that many are involved with language, and
    perception, and development, and mechanics, and memories, et
    alia. The external stance is just saying that culture is a way
    we've evolved to use these processes, and memes are the products
    of these processes, not the processes themselves, since the
    processes themselves are genetically evolved and comparable to
    many processes found in creatures like worms, and guppies, and

    > And what is connective recognition anyway?

    A quick comment, unfortunately. More rightly perhaps is
    'connected recognitions'- culture is a series of recognitions,
    among connected perceivers, but it is also a connected set of
    recognizable actions and artefacts and behaviors (those meme
    things we are working on).

    Anyway, as many would surely tell you, I'm a great fan of the
    adjectived descriptor.

    > Even Plato's ideal forms which you were talking about earlier

    That was probably not I, as I'm a dedicated aristotelian.

    - Wade

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