Re: neccesity of mental memes

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    From: "Grant Callaghan" <>
    Subject: Re: neccesity of mental memes

    I was talking about the movement of earth and the rest of the universe,
    which is what time measures.  I wasn't separating them.  But mainly I
    talking about how we use the concepts in coversation and refer to
    measurements as if they were objects or places.  Motion would exist
    we measure it or not.  But the measurement of motion would not exist
    us.  Space would exist whether we measure it or not.  But spacetime is a
    we invented of looking at the universe and thinking about it.  It is not
    universe itself.

    New ways of looking at it will no doubt be invented in the future.  Ways
    that will change our perceptions just as Einstein's revelation changed
      But our perceptions consist of what we do with the data we receive
    our senses and how we use it to build a map of the universe inside our
    heads.  When we start manipulating the map to come up with new theories,
    shouldn't confuse our theories with what we are theorizing about.  Even
    Hawking has said he doesn't yet believe in time travel, although he
    takes an
    agnostic position on the issue.  I may be wrong, but my position is more
    definite.  ;-)>


    Thanks for the clarification.


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