Re: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger

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Date: Sat Jan 26 2002 - 03:01:11 GMT

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    >From: Stephen Springette <>
    >Subject: Re: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger
    >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:04:21 +0800
    >At 10:29 24-01-02 -0500, Scott Chase wrote:
    >>Is there some subtle parallel here between so-called "groupies" lining up
    >>for a chance at N-Sync or The Rolling Stones and the harems of the
    >>infamous over there in Afghanistan?
    >Absolutely. Reductionist techniques will never reveal wholes or essences,
    >and thus this parallel may be lost among many of us. But if we think in
    >terms of phenomenology and the very fundamental basis from which we
    >experience and interpret our realities, then these ideas become quite
    >apparent. Putting this in more simple terms... women lining up to be
    >violated by a "bad boy" and women lining up to be provided for by a wealthy
    >tyrant are logically consistent. Both are characterized by:
    > 1) The longing to be desired. The primary logic of Woman is to be
    >desired and is consistent with sustaining the known - this contrasts with
    >the logic of Man to desire, to explore the unknown for possibilities and
    > 2) The logical duality between sustaining the known versus its
    >destruction. Being desired and being violated are two sides of the same
    >coin that is femininity. That's why women often fantasize about being
    >raped. That's why they often fantasize about being spoilt. That's why women
    >are more prone to depression, envy and all the other psychologies that are
    >logically consistent with sustaining the known;
    > 3) No woman wants to be violated by "just anyone". No woman wants
    >to be desired by "just anyone". Bad-boy rock stars and opulently wealthy
    >oppressors fulfill both needs;
    So you were connecting "groupies" and harem members. It's worse than I
    anticipated. Women fantasizing about being raped? Being desired and violated
    two sides of the same coin? That's an explication that's a little over the
    top doncha think?

    BTW don't men wish to be desired by women?
    >Of course these ideas are more sophisticated than is evident in this simple
    >line-up. But for the sake of brevity, we might at least get some idea of
    >where this is headed.
    South fast. I'm afraid I don't want to know where this is headed. The simple
    line-up was more than I could take.
    >>Fully expecting some sociobiological reduction of feminine mentality to
    >>anisogamy and differing parental investments or some such to be just
    >>around the corner...
    >Sorry to disappoint you.
    I was being sarcastic. My bad.

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