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>From: Stephen Springette <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>Subject: Re: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger
>Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:04:21 +0800
>At 10:29 24-01-02 -0500, Scott Chase wrote:
>>Is there some subtle parallel here between so-called "groupies" lining up
>>for a chance at N-Sync or The Rolling Stones and the harems of the
>>infamous over there in Afghanistan?
>Absolutely. Reductionist techniques will never reveal wholes or essences,
>and thus this parallel may be lost among many of us. But if we think in
>terms of phenomenology and the very fundamental basis from which we
>experience and interpret our realities, then these ideas become quite
>apparent. Putting this in more simple terms... women lining up to be
>violated by a "bad boy" and women lining up to be provided for by a wealthy
>tyrant are logically consistent. Both are characterized by:
> 1) The longing to be desired. The primary logic of Woman is to be
>desired and is consistent with sustaining the known - this contrasts with
>the logic of Man to desire, to explore the unknown for possibilities and
> 2) The logical duality between sustaining the known versus its
>destruction. Being desired and being violated are two sides of the same
>coin that is femininity. That's why women often fantasize about being
>raped. That's why they often fantasize about being spoilt. That's why women
>are more prone to depression, envy and all the other psychologies that are
>logically consistent with sustaining the known;
> 3) No woman wants to be violated by "just anyone". No woman wants
>to be desired by "just anyone". Bad-boy rock stars and opulently wealthy
>oppressors fulfill both needs;
So you were connecting "groupies" and harem members. It's worse than I
anticipated. Women fantasizing about being raped? Being desired and violated
two sides of the same coin? That's an explication that's a little over the
top doncha think?
BTW don't men wish to be desired by women?
>Of course these ideas are more sophisticated than is evident in this simple
>line-up. But for the sake of brevity, we might at least get some idea of
>where this is headed.
South fast. I'm afraid I don't want to know where this is headed. The simple
line-up was more than I could take.
>>Fully expecting some sociobiological reduction of feminine mentality to
>>anisogamy and differing parental investments or some such to be just
>>around the corner...
>Sorry to disappoint you.
I was being sarcastic. My bad.
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