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> > From: <email@example.com>
> > > On 25 Jan 2002, at 21:57, Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> > > > << Their own evolutionary disposition of being pro- life for
> > > > Memes just use you and me, this list, the Net to put forward their
> > > > progency. All the ones who are around, in all their forms possible,
> > > > the ones who survived and will thrive.
> > >
> > > Actually it can be seen from both sides.
> > >
> > > Taking the "memes are selfish - we carry them" side. Which selfish
> > > memes will survive? Answer: Those who stay around with us and
> > > get copied more than others. Which memes do stay around with
> > > us? Answer: Memes which help us dna-beings to survive. There's
> > > the circle. Those memes survive which help us to survive.
> > << Yes and no ! Those memes only help us to survive in order to survive
> > themselves. They don 't care, so to speak, about you and me, they use
> > us, simply as that ! Like Keith Henson said, memes that don 't help us
> > to survive directly, use our survival- ability and memetic driven
> > desire to get propagation succes in the long run.
> > Memes select the what to learn material in order to built any given
> > ment where they can strive/ survive and propagate better than before.
> > Human culture is such a selected place, and memes select genes and
> > other memes just for that !
> > Their reproduction succes relies on such notions.
> > Humans are not the little executive elements of culture, memes are !
> > Little we are, being just vehicles for the memes' sake.
> > But like I said before, fight those memes....
> > > Someday culture might take of, but as of today we as humans are
> > > the little executive elements of culture. In one way we as
> > > individuals help the culture to survive, in the other way around
> > > culture helps us to survive.
> > << That is how you look at it ! As an individual you don 't actually
> > your culture to survive, you help it to sustain in all its aspects.
> > Idaes about race, gender, nationality, religion, profession,...are yours
> > follow, but they are NOT yours ! They are culture- bound.
> > Giving in, and unfortunaly our cultural ways are so set, that we can 't
> > escape such, is giving up " the real you ".
> > bin Laden, said once, all Americans were his enemies. Strange thought
> > as you see a 6 month old baby in the arms of his 84 years old granddad!
> > But, that is not so strange as you think, those people were to wear,so
> > to speak, there being- American as a second skin. Each an every commu-
> > nity makes something somewhere ' common '.
> > Stripping ourselves of such a notion, is according to Nietzsche, very
> > difficult and pehaps impossible because,
> > Nietzsche had many doubts about the psychological bearing of the
> > modern individual.
> > And that means in a memetic sense that memes put forward defense-
> > mechanisms against attempts from others ( and genes) to take their
> > place. We need to overcome those mechanisms...
> > Regards,
> > Kenneth
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