Fw: sex and the single meme

From: Philip Jonkers (philipjonkers@prodigy.net)
Date: Mon Jan 28 2002 - 02:17:17 GMT

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    > Philip:
    > > >Consider the memes:
    > > >1. Terrorism.
    > > >2. Terrorism causes pain and grief
    > > >3. Terrorism causes pain and grief and should be combatted.
    > > >4. Terrorism causes pain and grief and should be combatted with all the
    > > >resources
    > > > we can muster.
    > > >
    > > >All are memes, but which ones are units?
    > Wade:
    > > No, from the external stance, none of them are memes. The acts of
    > > terrorists are memes, not the idea of terrorism, which, so far, has hurt
    > > no-one, as no idea has ever hurt anyone. It is the expression and the
    > > activity of expressing ideas that hurts people, and that are memes.
    > Interesting Wade. Could you give me a (behaviorist) definition of what
    > you consider a meme. Please be as clear and unambiguous as possible so we
    > can
    > get a better understanding of eachother.
    > > In the case of terrorism, many of the acts cause pain and grief. And
    > > act is a meme. And to the terrorist cell, the acts are ones of heroism
    > > and pride.
    > >
    > > Which, also, are not memes.
    > So it is perspective dependent whether or not an act is a meme or not.
    > In this case the acts regarded by victims are memes but from the
    > perpetrator's
    > point of view they are not. Hence the acts of terrorism do not spread
    > terrorists as they can't be imitated. Confusing Wade, please elaborate....
    > Philip.

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