Re: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger

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Date: Sat Jan 26 2002 - 23:05:09 GMT

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    Stephen said:

    > We've been ear-bashed with the Woman's point of view for the past
    >40 years ;-)

    Well it doesn't seem to have sunk in yet. :} (ducking for cover)

    >>This makes me think of both Malcolm X and Stephen Biko, who said
    >>that in order for African Americans (in Malcolm's case) or Africans
    >>(in Biko's case) to change they must look to themselves. It is a
    >>necessary first step to recognize your power and to recognize the
    >>ways in which you surrender it before you can reclaim it. I think
    >>there is something of value in what you say, although I also sense
    >>a little bit of hostility?
    >Is it wrong to feel disgust or anger at injustices that are being
    >committed in the name of the liberalist agenda?

    You say that people must choose. You must choose what best serves
    your anger and the correction of these injustices: making
    inflammatory remarks that alienate your audience; or offering
    well-reasoned statements laying out your beliefs in a way that people
    can see the value of your point.

    >In other words, were other cultures from other times really as
    >ignorant and stupid, living in darkness and ignorance, as our modern
    >"enlightened" would seem to suppose? What I am talking about is
    >rummaging through the beliefs of the past to understand WHY gender
    >roles emerged as they had - and to steer clear of judging these
    >views "right" or "wrong".

    I too think that this would be fascinating. However I don't think
    *you* should write it, you would come up with something so
    inflammatory that no one would take it seriously. :}

    >In answer to your question, women need to do their own
    >soul-searching, and ask themselves why they make the choices they do.

    This is what I said in the Stephen Biko/Malcolm X comment. I was
    actually looking for something a little more concrete from you, like
    your example of not buying a car. I'm afraid I don't know much about
    the field of semiotics. Maybe it would help me understand your point
    if I did. Perhaps you could point me in the direction of a good
    intro. I already have a substantial list of "must reads" from this
    list, but I promise to have a go at it.

    >And if their answer is based in materialism or "security", or if it
    >is based in attention-seeking

    But these are all adaptive motivations, in the sense of natural
    selection, however distasteful you might find them. The offspring of
    women who employ these strategies may do much better than those of
    women who adopt other strategies. You may say that we choose the
    meme (and there is some argument about that as well), but natural
    selection chooses which meme-hosts will prosper and which will not.


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