Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id AAA27502 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:43:23 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:39:04 -0800 Message-Id: <200201260039.g0Q0d4M21269@mail15.bigmailbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) X-Originating-Ip: [126.96.36.199] From: "Joe Dees" <email@example.com> To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: necessity of mental memes Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org('binary' encoding is not supported, stored as-is)
> "Dace" <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: necessity of mental memesDate: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:56:36 -0800
>> Keith Henson:
>> >Joe, this is one of those cases where if you take another viewpoint,
>> >the problem might make more sense. Consider driving down a road.
>> >From your viewpoint, *anything* could happen, rabbits run across the
>> >road, an airplane land on the road ahead, etc. Now consider it from
>> >the viewpoint of a person far overhead making a film. Now consider it
>> >from the viewpoint of someone watching that film later. They will see
>> >the chain of events where too much head wind and not filling the tanks
>> >caused an aircraft to land on the road in front of your car.
>> OF COURSE everthing appears fron hindsight to be necessary, just as things
>appear in foresight to be contingent, but in the present cusp where causally
>effective decisions are made, neither assumption can be made, for the
>appearance/reality distinction collapses on this plane.
>Ah, but Joe, there's no such thing as time-- remember? There's only a
>static, four-dimensional space-time. "Before" and "after" are nothing more
>than "left" and "right" from the limited point of view of people trapped in
>the illusion of time.
>As long as you've conceded the reduction of real time to space-time, there's
>nothing you can say against determinism.
Wrong; spatiotemporality is quite real (as real a component of the spatiotemporal manifild as the spatial components of length, width and depth are), dynamic (it can expand, just like a line drawn a foot can continue to be drawn for a yard, and it can also contract) and, in systems with multiple distinguishabe components, such as anything above the quantum realm, unidirectional (past-present-future). The same Einstein who formulated the spatiotemporal model also calculated decay rates for several primary particles, and in no case do they progressively undecay. When you travel faster, the temporal aspect slows (empirically verified by around-the-world-flying B-52's carrying atomic clocks, compared with clocks that weren't flown) and the spatial aspect shrinks (gets shorter) on the axis of travel direction.
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