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> > > You may be thinking of the term 'motile' or 'motion'.
> >Nope. "Motive" has two meanings, psychological and physical.
> > > 'Motive' is a term readily used and understood by psychologists to
> > > refer to intent.
> >As I stated in my post, the psychological meaning is derivative. The
> >Latin root, motivus, means to move. In its most basic meaning, motive
> >means to cause motion.
> A word means whatever you use it to mean. You could call it "flubber"
> and it wouldn't matter as long as you make clear how you are using it
> and what you mean by it. So it makes no difference what the Romans
> used it for, not the millions of other people who have used the word for
> their own purposes -- all that counts when you use a word is what YOU
> are using it for.
Communication requires agreement regarding the meaning of terms. Lawrence
thought "motive" refers only to human intent. I pointed out to him that the
term can refer to anything that moves according to its own needs, and it's
in that sense that I was using it. The point is that motivation doesn't
require human consciousness. As Dawkins pointed out, to assert that memes
are selfish in no way implies personification of them.
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