Re: necessity of mental memes

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    > Keith Henson:
    > >Joe, this is one of those cases where if you take another viewpoint,
    > >the problem might make more sense. Consider driving down a road.
    > >From your viewpoint, *anything* could happen, rabbits run across the
    > >road, an airplane land on the road ahead, etc. Now consider it from
    > >the viewpoint of a person far overhead making a film. Now consider it
    > >from the viewpoint of someone watching that film later. They will see
    > >the chain of events where too much head wind and not filling the tanks
    > >caused an aircraft to land on the road in front of your car.
    > OF COURSE everthing appears fron hindsight to be necessary, just as things
    appear in foresight to be contingent, but in the present cusp where causally
    effective decisions are made, neither assumption can be made, for the
    appearance/reality distinction collapses on this plane.

    Ah, but Joe, there's no such thing as time-- remember? There's only a
    static, four-dimensional space-time. "Before" and "after" are nothing more
    than "left" and "right" from the limited point of view of people trapped in
    the illusion of time.

    As long as you've conceded the reduction of real time to space-time, there's
    nothing you can say against determinism.


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