RE: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger

From: Lawrence DeBivort (
Date: Fri Jan 25 2002 - 12:46:41 GMT

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    Yes, Francsca's suggestion is a good one. We are talking here across so many
    perceptual divides: men and women; this or that individual vs the
    generalizations we may offer about larger groups; Westerners and Arabs and
    Muslims; generational perspectives, etc. Add to this the frailties of human
    written communication, and to that the reality that perspectives of all do
    evolve over time. Hard to remember the time only 5 generations ago when the
    ideal family, an ideal shared by both women and men in the US, was composed
    of one male wage-earner working for a single employer lifetime, immutably
    married to one female home-maker and rearer of children, and a suburban
    existence marked by gradual acquistion of wealth, and, finally, a retirement
    marked by charitable volunteering, travel and grandchildren visits.

    Then, in the US, along came VietNam, the women's liberation movement, worker
    discontent with corporate paternalism. The rules began to shift, but not in
    the same way for everyone, and certainly not around the world in the same
    way or at the same pace. Against this shifting panorama of human hopes and
    fears, demands and concessions, we struggle to understand not only the
    world, and our associates within it, but ourselves. It is an honorable and
    hope-bringing struggle.


    > I do think that if you were
    > open to seeing these things from the women's point of view, and
    > appreciating their dilemma you might be one step closer to helping
    > change things. Let's see if we can salvage some sort of productive
    > discussion from all of this.

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