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At 06:54 PM 23/01/02 -0800, "Dace" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > easy to find. Grady has been very low profile for years and they are
> > still after him.
>What exactly does this mean? Are they harassing him in some way? Death
>threats? Stalking? And if so, can't he get the police involved and bring
>charges against them? Or is it legal harassment?
Mostly legal harassement, going after his employers, legal stalking (using PIs)
> > >if i understand Susan Blackmore's book correctly, then she believes
> > >we have no choice whatsoever.
> > Susan is *technically* right on this point. It is the direct consequence
> > of the fact that everything is either directly caused by something else
> > or the result of a random event.
>This would seem to render moot your whole case against Scientology. If we
>have no freedom to begin with, how could a cult steal it?
Sigh. I don't know why I get into these discussions. If you can imagine
getting outside our 3 space and one time dimension it is obvious. If you
can't it is like trying to describe 3D to Flatlanders. I am not the best
person to describe the situation in any case. Look up what some of the
heavy science thinkers say about this topic. I might try to answer Joe
Dees or maybe not.
> > So you can look back and state with confidence that everything that
> > happened including any memes you picked up were either caused or
> > random. You can even say that the future is the same way. But it
> > makes no difference in the operation sense because you will always
> > feel you have choice.
>Exactly. The central theme of Scientology is freedom. This past summer
>they had a bunch of evening concerts, and they always seemed to be singing
>about the glories of freedom. It's that perfect reality reversal that makes
>cults and clinical narcissists so creepy. But if your argument is correct,
>all of us are victims of a cult, specifically the cult of the brain, which,
>for reasons of natural selection, makes us believe we have free will.
>It's difficult to understand, given your belief in universal mind-control,
>why you're at war with the Church of Scientology.
They offend me.
PS. In Robert Heinlein's story Starman Jones there is a character who is
killed on a remote planet. In the story his grave marker reads:
Sergeant Anderson, late of the Imperial Marines.
"He ate what was set before him."
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