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> email@example.com Stephen Springette <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Rogue Males by Lionel TigerReply-To: email@example.com
>At 01:47 22-01-02 -0500, Francesca wrote:
>>please see the first snipped statement. We are in agreement here. The
>>author's position was that women also participate by choosing mates who
>>are Taliban members, when in fact they have no choice
>>whatsoever. Marriages are arranged and there are no single career women
>>under the Taliban.
>But who is it that arranges the marriages? Is it not both parents? And from
>what I've seen of Arabic cultures, women are the principle enforcers of
>such traditions. It seems to me that their men are too busy providing for
>their families, to devote much attention to this aspect of life.
>Secondly... if it were even remotely possible for a culture to approach a
>condition so extraordinarily out of balance that men not only provided for
>their families but also manipulated the family relationships and the
>behavioral trajectories of their sons and daughters, what might we make of
>the women of such an out-of-whack culture? Is it conceivable that any
>mother-as-primary-nurturer could willingly surrender Woman's Power at so
>wholesale a level as what such a scenario might seem to imply? At issue
>here is the fact that there is no aspect of a culture that acts
>independently of any other aspect... that is, if men are "powerful", then
>it is because women have permitted it, and because women have exercised
>their own power, for example, over their sons in training them to become
>the sorts of adolescents that finally get initiated into the culture's manhood.
>Incidentally, such imbalances (if one accepts that Taliban culture does
>indeed approach such a condition - for example, Taliban fundamentalism as a
>reaction to Western globalization) are not sustainable and will invariably
>result in corrections, whether from within or from without. For this
>reason, we cannot look to them to provide generalizations about "all" men
>or "all" women.
>Newton's Laws of Emotion:
>There can be no complexity without simplicity.
When Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri and Mullah omar were marrying each other's dauthers to themselves or their sons in order to cement terrorist ties, I cannot believe that it was at the behest of any of the wives in their respective harems.
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