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> >I do not question at all the possibility that memes, ideas,
> >whatever, can influence people. I'm influenced by viewing a stand of
> >old growth trees very substantially (I'm a forester), and I would be
> >foolish to doubt that ideas can influence people. What I doubt is that
> >the meme, or old growth stand, or whatevery, wants to influence me.
> I agree, the meme clearly doesn't want anything.
> It's an abstract entity
In other words, it doesn't exist.
> with no will.
Of course. How could it have will if it doesn't exist in the first place?
To be real a thing must exist whether or not we believe in it. An
abstraction, by definition, is a product of consciousness. It cannot exist
unless we imagine it-- precisely the opposite of the ontological criterion.
If memes are abstractions, then we're just playing games here, fiddling with
words and imagining we've discovered something.
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