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    > >I do not question at all the possibility that memes, ideas,
    > >whatever, can influence people. I'm influenced by viewing a stand of
    > >old growth trees very substantially (I'm a forester), and I would be
    > >foolish to doubt that ideas can influence people. What I doubt is that
    > >the meme, or old growth stand, or whatevery, wants to influence me.
    > I agree, the meme clearly doesn't want anything.
    > It's an abstract entity

    In other words, it doesn't exist.

    > with no will.

    Of course. How could it have will if it doesn't exist in the first place?

    To be real a thing must exist whether or not we believe in it. An
    abstraction, by definition, is a product of consciousness. It cannot exist
    unless we imagine it-- precisely the opposite of the ontological criterion.

    If memes are abstractions, then we're just playing games here, fiddling with
    words and imagining we've discovered something.


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