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Thank you, Stephen. My own experience in the entertainment industries in
Hollywood bears out your observation that liberalism is, indeed, the new
conservatism. The liberal "elite" in Hollywood most certainly police
behavior, and there are actually very rigid "rules," if you will, regarding
what is correct and what is not.
Now in California, conservatives play the role that would have been that of
liberals when I was growing up. It's truly all just one reacting to the
other and the push/pull of societal pressures - all depending on which
society you're in. The interesting thing is the movement of young people of
both sexes and all races who are becoming "conservative" in reaction to the
oppressive grip of the liberal power structure in Hollywood.
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> Of Stephen Springette
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> Subject: Re: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger
> At 08:20 21-01-02 -0500, Francesca wrote:
> >First of all the distinctions which he assigned to the gender
> roles didn't
> >quite work for me. My own impression is that *conservatives* tend to be
> >the ones who sustain the known and police behavior, while liberals are
> >more involved with new ideas. If one looks here in the US at least,
> >conservative thought is more often associated with older white males (at
> >least that seems to be the conventional stereotype - in spite Bush's
> >attempts to portray a kinder gentler conservative party.)
> Conservatism is a way of life, a lifestyle choice, a belief system. So is
> liberalism. And, as a lifestyle choice, liberalism has little to do with
> new ways of thinking. As already stated above, it is commonly associated
> with innovation and new ideas. But this association is false. The
> of liberalism can be understood in the context of liberalism as a
> manifestation of a dormant cultural logic in opposition to conservatism.
> Thus, in the greater scheme of things, there is nothing new emerging from
> liberalism. Liberalism is a reaction to conservatism. It has not emerged
> independently of conservatism and so, once all the old conservatisms have
> been challenged on conservatism's terms, it cannot really be
> considered as
> having anything to do with innovation or new ideas, any more than
> conservatism can.
> And if we look at the wide-ranging implications of political correctness,
> it becomes clear that liberalism is the new conservatism.
> Genuine "liberalism" lies well beyond the current known that
> defines our lives.
> Newton's Laws of Emotion:
> There can be no complexity without simplicity.
> Applied simplicity:
> Stephen Springette
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