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> "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: sex and the single memeDate: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:50:29 +0100
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>From: Philip Jonkers <PHILIPJONKERS@prodigy.net>
>> Sex in biological animals provides a faster way to
>> adapt to extremely competetive and changing
>> environments. Organisms who don't use sex to adapt were
>> mostly outcompeted and supplanted by those who did.
>> The function of sex is reflected by increasing the
>> variation rate in the evolutionary algorithm.
><< Of course you are right, but the thing is, that, if sex exists in
>it could be something completely different than sex as seen in the biolo-
>gical sense of the term.
>My point is, if a mutation whereby memes should be able to reproduce
>asexual within a population should occur whereby no ' males ' would be
>produced and whereby the mutant ' females ' should have the same
>survivalchances and the same fertility as their no- mutant sisters and they
>should avoy to re- produce 50 % ' male ', in each generation their amount
>should increase tremendously.
>It would explain, in a sense, the speed by which memetic evolution de-
>velops, no !?
>On the other hand, to stimulate their suvivalchances, in a way sex would
>be needed, but adultery far more !!
>Sex, seen in the biological sense from a human perspective is monogamous.
>We males, doing it with everybody female to get our genes across, females
>are more choosy. After all, time and resources must be best spent.
>But does this apply to memes !? IMO, it doesn 't !
>The speed of the memetic evolution exceeds any given ' natural ' biological
>If a bird got 8 young from 8 different fathers, we can pre- suppose that
>atleast 1 will survive when a dramatical change in the environment should
>occur. Here is it the female who want her genes to get across.
>In memetics it seems that all the variations survive in one point of the
>I agree that sex is needed to increase the variation rate, but in memetics
>we get in trouble when the speed of things is concerned.
>There is no biological process fast enough to explain the speed by which
>the memetic evolution occurs.
>IMO, if we count in asexuality, or some ' cloning '- process we can.
>> Anyway, better and faster ways to adapt automatically
>> get selected in an evolutionary process
>> in general.
><< Again, yes, but not in memetics !
>The velocity- factor of the present evolution in memetics can 't be ex-
>plained. The rate by which people get infected can be measured, but
>can 't be explained ' how ' !
>And maybe, the better and faster way in the evolutionary process of
>memetics is not sex, but asexuality....
>And if this ends up, one thing is than vey clear, memes have no gender....
Memetic sex occurs in the brain; it is where we deconstruct memeplexes into their constiturent components and recombine chunks of them in novel ways; then we release our progeny into the cruel world and see if they'll die or thrive.
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