Re: sex and the single meme

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    > "Kenneth Van Oost" <> <> Re: sex and the single memeDate: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:50:29 +0100
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    >From: Philip Jonkers <>
    >> Sex in biological animals provides a faster way to
    >> adapt to extremely competetive and changing
    >> environments. Organisms who don't use sex to adapt were
    >> mostly outcompeted and supplanted by those who did.
    >> The function of sex is reflected by increasing the
    >> variation rate in the evolutionary algorithm.
    >Hi Philip,
    ><< Of course you are right, but the thing is, that, if sex exists in
    >it could be something completely different than sex as seen in the biolo-
    >gical sense of the term.
    >My point is, if a mutation whereby memes should be able to reproduce
    >asexual within a population should occur whereby no ' males ' would be
    >produced and whereby the mutant ' females ' should have the same
    >survivalchances and the same fertility as their no- mutant sisters and they
    >should avoy to re- produce 50 % ' male ', in each generation their amount
    >should increase tremendously.
    >It would explain, in a sense, the speed by which memetic evolution de-
    >velops, no !?
    >On the other hand, to stimulate their suvivalchances, in a way sex would
    >be needed, but adultery far more !!
    >Sex, seen in the biological sense from a human perspective is monogamous.
    >We males, doing it with everybody female to get our genes across, females
    >are more choosy. After all, time and resources must be best spent.
    >But does this apply to memes !? IMO, it doesn 't !
    >The speed of the memetic evolution exceeds any given ' natural ' biological
    >sexual process.
    >If a bird got 8 young from 8 different fathers, we can pre- suppose that
    >atleast 1 will survive when a dramatical change in the environment should
    >occur. Here is it the female who want her genes to get across.
    >In memetics it seems that all the variations survive in one point of the
    >I agree that sex is needed to increase the variation rate, but in memetics
    >we get in trouble when the speed of things is concerned.
    >There is no biological process fast enough to explain the speed by which
    >the memetic evolution occurs.
    >IMO, if we count in asexuality, or some ' cloning '- process we can.
    >> Anyway, better and faster ways to adapt automatically
    >> get selected in an evolutionary process
    >> in general.
    ><< Again, yes, but not in memetics !
    >The velocity- factor of the present evolution in memetics can 't be ex-
    >plained. The rate by which people get infected can be measured, but
    >can 't be explained ' how ' !
    >And maybe, the better and faster way in the evolutionary process of
    >memetics is not sex, but asexuality....
    >And if this ends up, one thing is than vey clear, memes have no gender....
    Memetic sex occurs in the brain; it is where we deconstruct memeplexes into their constiturent components and recombine chunks of them in novel ways; then we release our progeny into the cruel world and see if they'll die or thrive.
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