Three Scientists and thier Gods

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    Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:16:33 -0500
    From: "Lawrence DeBivort" <>
    Subject: RE: Three Scientists and Their Gods

    I agree with Richard.

    The term "meme" has served some of us well (not that those who find it
    useful necessarily agree on all its aspects  :-)  ) and it seems
    unnecessarily time-consuming and circuitous to adopt another word
    and then spend our time defining it to distinguish, e.g., between
    replicators' and 'memetic replicators.'  Many will find what I am about
    say as undeservedly optimistic, but in my view we have developed the
    theory of memetics, and should now be on to exploring its ramifications
    sister sciences (e.g. information and communications, sociology,
    systems theory, political science, history, brain neurology, etc.) There
    lies ahead of us much to be discovered, and many insights useful to
    ourselves and others to be generated. Who will move in this direction?

    I find nothing wrong with being optomistic and don't see any reason why your
    proposal should not be tried.
    My own experience in this area is as follows. I've recently graduated as a
    mature student in sociology and social psychology, and in general have
    found that few of my tutors were either willing to acknowledge that it had
    anything to offer, and were even less willing to actually learn anything
    about it! Like many things that are"new" it takes time and hard work to get
    it into the mainstream. But i'm not going anywhere and i see that memetics
    can have a use in the social sciences. It may prove to be phlogiston, but
    the only way to find out is to explore. It could turn out to be oxygen.


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