Re: Rogue Males by Lionel Tiger

From: Francesca S. Alcorn (
Date: Tue Jan 22 2002 - 06:47:09 GMT

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    I said:

    >>Second of all, as I understand it, women in most Muslim and Hindu
    >>countries have *little to no* choice in whom they marry. Once they
    >>are married the best they can hope for is a decent husband, barring
    >>that, to make the best of a bad situation. And in many cultures
    >>there is no alternative to being cared for, since women are not
    >>allowed to operate house holds by themselves, run businesses etc.
    >>There is still a great power disparity there.

    >>I liked his point however that our prejudice against the burka is
    >>nothing but feminist cultural imperialism. What if an African
    >>country where women ran around bare-breasted gained world hegemony
    >>and accused Western countries of oppressing women because they are
    >>required to wear shirts. How many American women would doff their
    >>duds in the name of freedom? It is silly to equate civil rights with
    >>a piece of cloth.

    Scott said:
    >If the women agree to don the burqa (or burkha) that's one thing,
    >but what if a more liberal community is taken by force by the
    >Taliban and the formerly free to dress casually females forced to
    >cover up. IIRC one of the books I've read about the rise of the
    >Taliban said something pertaining to this, but I'd have to rummage
    >my stack o'plenty for details.

    Nor was it right when European missionaries forced African women to
    wear clothes. I think we are in agreement here. It's not really an
    issue of clothing but of forcing something onto them....or off of's immaterial...oh stop it. :)

    It just taps into very potent cultural body taboos, which confuse the issue.

    >Beyond the relatively minor issue of accepted dress codes are the
    >more important issues of being able to exercise freedom to seek
    >education and employment. What were the Taliban's views on women
    >learning and women working?

    please see the first snipped statement. We are in agreement here.
    The author's position was that women also participate by choosing
    mates who are Taliban members, when in fact they have no choice
    whatsoever. Marriages are arranged and there are no single career
    women under the Taliban.


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