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> "Dace" <email@example.com> <firstname.lastname@example.org> Re: Knowledge, Memes and Sensory PerceptionDate: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:47:23 -0800
>> Remove the human from culture, and memetic development is
>> impossible. Memetic behavior requires cultural environment, just as
>> speech requires a languaged environment to develop. So, far, no-one
>> is asking that there be 'languemes' in the brain. No, the genetic
>> development of the human brain selected for speech and language
>> and culture as a developmental complexity, totally dependent upon a
>> sustaining environment. Language in the brain is a potential- the actual
>> speech itself comes from outside, in the form of phonemes that are
>> heard, not created internally, that fill and fit, like smells, into
>> prepared regions of the senses. And memes are not found internally.
>> They are found and created outside. Where they shall remain.
>How could language not exist in the mind? Yet I agree that it's not in the
>brain. In fact it logically cannot reside in the brain, for language is a
>set of abstractions, and abstractions have no definable physical
>characterisitics. There are no words in brains, only clumps of neurons that
>"light up" when we comprehend or produce language. To imagine that the
>co-occurrence of brain activity and mental activity demonstrates that brain
>causes mind is to commit the well-known fallacy of false cause.
These pattern-configurations in the brain are translated by the dynamically recursive mind, which emerges from the material substrate brain, as words, among other things (such as images).
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