Re: memetics-digest V1 #880

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    >Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:17:34 EST
    >So what is the sense of this group regarding the level of volition existing
    >in the relationship between memes ( or memeplexes) and individuals or
    >It sounds as if some here are organized by a cluster of memes leading to
    >belief that we are free to choose the memes we are host to?
    >For those of that persuasion is it assumed that we are conscious of all of
    >the memes that have staked out mindspace in a host?
    >Or is there a developmental aspect to this such that at some levels of
    >development an individual or group is pawn-like relative to memes, but
    >in higher developmental stages the cosignoti can pick and choose their
    >My impression is that one might have a better quality of life when they
    >believe that that can choose there memes. But I see so many examples of
    >people who believe their thoughts, feelings and behaviors are organized by
    >certain ideas, or beliefs when from the outside it appeara that they have
    >been in service to something they knew not of.
    >I have come to suspect that some clusters of memes have evolved in such a
    >way that some memes organize the individual or group in ways that they are
    >conscious of, while the more powerful memes lie hidden and influence in
    >insideous ways.Some aspects of alcoholism might me an example.
    Since we pick memes up helter skelter by making thousands of decisions about
    what we like and dislike and what we want to do on a daily basis, the
    resulting mass of memes we acquire are organized around the way we spend our
    time each day. We use the memes to carry out our daily activities. Some
    memes help and some memes get in the way.

    For a football player, most of his memes are organized around the game of
    football. Another large segment is devoted to getting along with other
    players. There is only so much time in the day, so time structures what
    memes we pick up and use. Where we spend our time and what we use it to do
    shapes the contents of our minds.

    You're not going to pick up many religious ideas on the ball field nor ideas
    about how to compete in sports in church. This is not to say there won't be
    any crossover. But it's the way we spend our time that controls what ideas
    we are exposed to and which ones we are likely to pick up.


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